Posts Tagged ‘Apostasy’

Response to comment on Immersion

I placed a quote up by John A. Broadus entitled “Immersion is scriptural and essential to baptism.”

I received the response below and decided to comment on it with a blog post.


“It is an error. Ignoring around 1800 years of experience is not wise. Come home to the Catholic Church. The Holy Spirit cannot be responsible for such Chaos. Reformation has brought about many changes and there is not even one branch. Strictly based on the Scripture we have to love tradition and embrace it. (2Thessalionians 2:15; 1Cor 11:2) Please see that it is questioning God. He knew when He had to come and what He has to do for His Church to happen. Others did not.”


(I did not approve this comment due to the fact that I am not allowing someone else to comment and therefore leave a link to their blog, on my blog, when I can’t read the language on the commenter’s blog. If I can’t read the blog, then I have no idea what my blog is being linked to).



First let me start off by stating that this comment nowhere directly disproves my quote from John A. Broadus. Just stating that a quote is in error doesn’t necessarily prove that it is.

Secondly, I want to say that the Roman Catholic Church is not our home. The Roman Catholic Church teaches that salvation is by Faith plus, Christ’s merit, plus our Own merit. Since we are fallen creatures and all our righteousness is as filthy rags in God’s sight and since a natural man cannot please God because what he does is not done in faith, then there is no way that one can have any merit in God’s sight without an imputed righteousness. This imputed righteousness is not our own, but was merited for us by the Lord Jesus Christ. God takes the initiative in salvation and works alone to effectually apply Christ’s merit to those of whom he has chosen from the foundation of the world. Grace is given to these individuals, not to aide them in coming to Christ, but to effectually regenerate them, so that they come to Christ, because of the work of regeneration wrought in their hearts by the Holy Spirit. Therefore the Roman Catholic Church’s system of an inherent righteousness is an apostate system. It is a system derived from man and will lead men to Hell.

Thirdly, we recognize that there are certain things handed down from tradition and there are also certain things within the RCC that are held as traditional. Nevertheless, tradition is not our guide. There are two means of revelation given to us by God that we might learn about him and learn what pleases him. These are general revelation and special revelation. No doctrines are to be built upon general revelation, nor tradition, but we derive our doctrines from special revelation or from scripture alone. In other words, general revelation and tradition can never usurp what God has commanded or revealed through and in his Holy Word. Since there are certain things held traditionally within the RCC that are not commanded or revealed in scripture, then we conclude that the RCC has erred and has placed man made precepts in place as commands of God. Again I will state that the RCC is an apostate system and will lead men to Hell.

Finally, the comment above is just some isolated sentences that are placed together within a paragraph, that give no coherent thought or theme to the comment in question. The above comment jumps from stating that my John A. Broadus quote was error, to giving me a warning that ignoring church history is not wise, to stating that the Holy Spirit is not involved in chaos, to the Reformation bringing about change, to etc, etc…. This kind of incoherence cannot be properly answered because there is no unity, theme, or thought pattern within this comment. The best anyone could do is answer each sentence of the paragraph and show what we as Protestants believe the RCC to be. 

John Piper retracts the term ‘Heresy’ in his stance on Roman Catholicism

March 19, 2013 11 comments

Well it seems that Piper can’t be consistent and stand upon what the Reformed faith teaches. When I first heard of Piper he was on the radio. It wasn’t long thereafter that he switched strictly Internet for his broadcast each week. When I first heard of him, he was preaching through Romans. His sermons were some of the best that I have ever heard.

Since then I have lost confidence in Piper. He has embraced some odd teachings, including the charismatic doctrines. On top of this he has held conferences with some of the odd balls and down right erroneous teachers who profess the Christian faith in modern Christianity. Now he makes a statement, a few years ago, that Roman Catholicism is heretical; yet when the Roman Catholic Church elects a new Pope, Piper shrinks from his original position. Go figure.

I want to state that I stand with the Reformers. The Reformers declared that the Roman Catholic Church is an apostate Church. I see no reason to not affirm the same view today. Have they retracted their doctrines of:


Faith + Works

Grace + Merit

Christ + Myself?


If not, then they are still an apostate church.

Here is a portion of the article as reported by Christianpost:

“As Pope Francis began his first full day as leader of the Roman Catholic Church on Thursday, Desiring God founder, John Piper, attempted to clarify a controversial statement he made in 2009 about heresy in Roman Catholic theology.

During the reign of Pope Benedict XVI in 2009, Piper was asked on video if he had two minutes to question the Pope on an issue, what would he ask, and he chose the subject of justification.

“I think Rome and Protestantism are not yet ready – I don’t think the Reformation is over. I don’t think that enough change has happened in Roman understanding of justification, and a bunch of other things,” he said in the video.

He then proceeded to detail the question he would ask the Pope. “‘Do you teach that we should rely entirely on the righteousness of Christ imputed to us by faith alone as the ground of God being 100 percent for us, after which necessary sanctification comes? Do you teach that?'” he said in the clip.

“And if he said, ‘No, we don’t,’ then I’d say, ‘I think that right at the core of Roman Catholic theology is a heresy,’ or something like that,” he added.

In a new post on Thursday, however, Piper conceded that ‘heresy’ is a strong word and attempted a more nuanced explanation of what he meant by his comments.”


Read the entire article here.

Those who fall away never professed true faith

January 2, 2013 1 comment

Uniting with the Church however, important as this act may be, is any easy matter. It is but the beginning of the Christian life. Next comes the period of trial. Will all who join the Churches, bear the test to which sooner or later, they will most surely be subjected. Remember also that the period which is to try the strength of their faith, patience, obedience, and fidelity, extends through their whole life upon earth. With these facts before you, survey the scene which I will now sketch, as it passes. For one, the seductions of sense, ere long, prove too mighty; he yields; lives after the flesh, and dies. Another, carried away by the fascinations of the world,―wealth, ambition, honor, pleasure―is found sowing to the flesh; he reaps corruption. Then the righteous man―he who had been eminent for zeal, and good works, foremost in the sacred ranks, is overthrown, turns away from his righteousness, commits iniquity, and miserably perish! A succession of similar events continues. Their profession when tested, prove unequal to the trial! They have fallen; and are probably lost forever. Behold the picture. Is it imaginary? Alas! far from it. Do these facts, however, prove that the persons in question have “lost their faith, and regeneration?” Surely not. The facts all concur to demonstrate that they never possessed these high endowments. True they professed religion. But the indubitable evidence of a man’s faith and regeneration” is, not alone that he has been excited, and experienced fears and sorrows, and confidence and raptures; nor that he does many righteous acts, and is lauded as eminently devoted; but it is that he sustains the tests to which he is subjected in the christian profession. The “refiners fire” consumes the dross only; the pure gold all remains, and is by the process, rendered but the finer, and the brighter. Can it be proved that these men who have fallen, although they previously maintained the character of great piety, were ever rally regenerated? Never. Such proof is impossible, as long as men can appear to be what they are not. Then their fall is very far from showing that the doctrine of the final perseverance of the saints is not true.

R. B. C. Howell—Perseverance of the Saints

The difference between backsliding and apostasy

November 21, 2012 4 comments

It is, secondly, necessary that you discriminate carefully, between backsliding, and apostasy. The former is the act of turning back from God; the latter is the forsaking, or the renouncing of the religion of Christ. Backsliding consists either in the relinquishment of evangelical doctrine; or in the loss of spirituality of mind; or in the gradual departure from correct morals. All these evils are embraced in apostasy. The backslider commits transgressions, but returns to his allegiance, and obtains forgiveness, and acceptance. The apostate continues; dies in his sins; and “so eternally perishes.” We teach that none of the true children of God―he believing, the pardoned, the regenerated, the sanctified―become apostate, but to backsliding, of every character and degree, all, it is but too evident, even the best, and most devoted, are constantly, and painfully liable.

R. B. C. Howell—Perseverance of the Saints

The Perseverance of the Saints

November 14, 2012 2 comments

The Privileges of Believers In Christ Include Their Perseverance In Grace Unto the Attainment of Final, and Complete Salvation

Philippians 1:6 “Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ.”

To persevere in grace unto the attainment of final, and complete salvation, is another, and the last in the catalogue which I shall at present particularly consider, of the inestimable privileges growing out of the union of believers with Christ. I need not tell you that a result so glorious will not be achieved without a struggle. The utmost energies of minds renewed and sanctified by the Holy Spirit, will be imperatively demanded. Battles are to be fought; victories are to be won; labors are to be endured; before the end is gained.

 . . . Not for thee Spreads the world her downy pillow; On the rock thy couch must me, While around thee chafes the billow.”

 But in every struggle, every conflict, Jehovah is your guide and support, and has promised that you shall be “more than conquerors,” through our Lord Jesus Christ.

Many excellent christians however, in opposition to the doctrine maintained by us, hold, to use the language of one of their most distinguished divines, that―”A believer may totally lose his faith, and regeneration, and may continue in apostasy, and so eternally perish.”1

Either this proposition is not defensible, or that which asserts the final perseverance of the saints―in other words, the continuance of all believers “in a state of grace to a state of glory”―must be abandoned. Both cannot be true. To which shall we adhere? It is our interest, and our duty, to know the truth, on this, and all other topics; and thanks to our God, the means are accessible and at hand by which the whole inquiry may be fully and satisfactorily determined.

Before entering upon the argument however, whether in refutation of the opinion stated, or in defence of our own conclusion, it is necessary, if you would clearly comprehend the question to be examined, that several preliminary observations should be submitted.

In the first place, we predicate final perseverance in grace of those only who are “born again”―the saints of Christ Jesus―and not of mere professors of religion. Let this fact be kept constantly in memory. Professors of religion, members of the Churches, are not all, as a matter of course, the children of God, and followers of the Redeemer. Many, in every age, have assumed the outward forms of godliness, in whose hearts true piety had no dwelling place. In the estimation of enlightened christians of every class, such are expected to “fall away.” Their relations to the Church are not congenial; their spiritual duties are burdensome; they soon become weary; and in going back to the world, they return to a course of life which their hearts always preferred. Their apostasy is a natural consequence, and always to be anticipated.

R. B. C. Howell—Perseverance of the Saints

Christ is the head of the Church—there is no other

October 26, 2012 2 comments

If Christ is the head of the church in the sense of sovereign or ruler, then it is impious to call anybody else the head of the church. Some claim to be the head of the church in the sense of vicegerent, or vicar. For example, the Pope claims to be the head of the church in that he is Christ’s vicar. The only vicar that Christ has is the Holy Spirit. When Jesus went up to heaven he did send a vicegerent to take his place; another Paraclete to abide with and to guide the church. It is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit for a mere man to claim to be the head of the church.

Spurgeon in his many volumes of sermons has one polemical volume. One of the sermons in that polemical volume is the most excoriating denunciation of the claim that the sovereign of England is head of the church that I have ever seen. He read a proclamation: “I, Victoria Regina, by the grace of God head of the church.” Then immediately following that he quoted Paul’s words: “I suffer not a woman to teach nor to usurp authority.” Everybody should read, particularly, that eighth volume of Spurgeon’s sermons. The greater part of Christendom today is under bondage to the thought that the Pope of Rome is the head of the church. They mean by that that he stands in the place of God, and that whatever he speaks, ex cathedra, is infallibly true, and that his authority is ultimate.

In 1870 the capstone was put on the papacy by the Vatican Council, in servile obedience to the Pope, proclaiming his infallibility as head of the church. The head of the church also carries with it the idea of authority, which is called the key of power. Christ is the head of the church. There is no other. We see on earth a body, but the head is above the clouds; we cannot see it. The head of the church is in heaven, the body here on the earth. It is a vital and fundamental article of the Christian faith that we should accept no head of the church of Jesus Christ except the Lord Jesus Christ himself.

B. H. Carroll Commenting on Ephesians 1:22-2:10

God’s Spirit preserves his people from fully falling away

The chief end for which God sends the Spirit to indwell His people is to deliver them from apostasy: to preserve them not only from the everlasting burnings, but from those things which would expose them thereto. Unless that be clearly stated, we justly lay ourselves open to the charge that this is a dangerous doctrine—making light of sin and encouraging careless living. It is not true that, if a man has once truly believed in Christ, no matter what enormities he may commit afterwards, nor what course of evil he follow, he cannot fail to reach Heaven. Not so is the teaching of Holy Writ. The Spirit does not preserve in a way of licentiousness, but only in the way of holiness. Nowhere has God promised His favour to dogs who go back to their vomit, nor to swine which return to their wallowing in the mire. The believer may indeed experience a fearful fall, yet he will not lie down content in his filth, any more than David did: “Though he fall, he shall not be utterly cast down: for the LORD upholdeth him with His hand” (Psa. 37:24).

Arthur W. Pink—Studies in the Scriptures March, 1937 The Spirit Preserving